Friday, October 07, 2005

On the Federation of Master Builders

It’s funny how you sometimes stumble across the most interesting things by accident, or they appear when you are least expecting them. Last week at the London HomeBuilding & Renovating show, I was presenting an afternoon seminar entitled Project Management together with David Snell, author of Building Your Own Home. It’s a gig we have shared together for four or five years now and we have a pretty well worked routine advising people what to look out for and what to avoid when choosing and later working with builders.

Now a couple of weeks before the show, the Federation of Master Builders (FMB), Britain’s largest trade organisation for small builders, had been on to the organisers asking for some representation at this particular seminar. The FMB have sponsored talks at the HomeBuilding & Renovating shows before and they book stand space there to promote their website findabuilder.co.uk. I politely told them that I didn’t think they would add much to our presentation as we worked to a theme and all it would do is interrupt the flow and reduce time for questions at the end — this particular seminar always gets a shedload of questions.

But it came to pass that the FMB sent a delegation to hear what David and I had to say during our seminar. I sort of anticipated the worst. We talk about how there is a large gap between what should happen in theory and what happens in practice and that the vast majority of selfbuild jobs and small extensions take place with no formal written contracts and that if you start insisting on contracts, penalty clauses and withholding money for months after the job is finished, then you can expect to have a much larger quote in the first place. Oh, and don’t do anything silly like pay cash upfront. All good knock about stuff, and slightly different to the advice I would expect to hear from some organisation full of starch-shirted-stiffs.

I fully expected the FMB delegation to have ago at us for being too cavalier with our advice. They all sat there, two rows back from the front, madly jotting down notes. Sure enough, after the Q & A was over, a couple of them sidled over to us and started to ask subsidiary questions. But blow me down if the point they really wanted to get across to us was that they felt it was perfectly in order for a builder to ask for a deposit before the work starts and that we shouldn’t be advising people that this was not a good idea.

Hang on a minute. Give the bloke cash upfront before he’s so much as broken wind! You are having a laugh, aren’t you? No mate, we at the FMB think upfront deposits are a good idea.

Well, bugger me, I never knew that. Turns out that David and I have been the starch-shirted-stiffs all along and that our advice is far too pompous and unrealistic. Or had we just met the urban guerrilla wing of the FMB?

I logged onto the findabuilder.co.uk website to research further. It’s revealing by what it leaves out, rather than what it promotes. It has advice for homeowners on how to spot a cowboy that suggests that he will do the following:

• EVADE giving you references or details of previous jobs
• OFFER you a 'cheap' deal for cash-in-hand.
• SUGGEST you can avoid paying VAT for cash
• CONFUSE you with jargon and complicated explanations
• INSIST that a written contract is not necessary
• SAY they can start tomorrow (a good builder is usually busy)
• CAN'T give you costings because 'things may change'
• LAUGH when you suggest showing them plans
• GIVE you a surprisingly low quote
• CAN only be reached by mobile and don't have an address on their card
• ASSURE you the details are their problem and you don't need to worry
• KNOCK the opposition

All good stuff, but note there is nothing about asking for payment upfront, in my mind one of the true danger signals that you are dealing with a man of straw. The website, their consumer portal, also contains a code of conduct, which they expect their FMB members to stick to when dealing with the general public. Again, nothing is mentioned at all about the vexed issue of upfront payments. The only conclusion you can draw from this is that the FMB implicitly supports the practice of asking for upfront payments from the general public.

The FMB has a different website, www.fmb.co.uk, dedicated to their members who are all small builders. There you can see a different side to the oganisation. “The FMB is a trade association established over 60 years ago to protect the interests of small and medium-sized building firms.” By encouraging the practice of upfront payments, perhaps?

Coincidentally, our dear government is about to give a huge boost to the FMB by making them a lead player in their new scheme to “kick out the cowboy builders.” Their previous scheme, the ill-fated QualityMark, was finally put to bed earlier this year after five hopeless years in which a lot of our money was spent by central government and almost nothing happened on the ground. In its place we are going to have Trustmark, which is very much QualityMark-lite. In fact very-lite. Whilst QualityMark demanded that member firms paid 0.75% of turnover in order to join, Trustmark is free for the first two years and will only then cost about £10 a year to maintain membership, if the contractor is member of an accredited body (i.e. FMB), although maybe £300 a year if not. Trustmark will be an umbrella group, inc. all FMB members, and many other trade associations. It will offer warranties against defective work and protection against members going out of business during the job, but the warranties will have to be paid for as extras by the clients. In other words, there is protection if you choose to pay for it as an additional insurance policy. Which people just won’t do.

Like the FMB’s own findabuilder.co.uk site, the trustmark site also has some guidance about “protecting yourself from rogues”. And, of course, there is nothing about the dangers of paying upfront. Maybe the FMB had that bit surgically removed as its price for coming on board and giving the organisation some weight in the marketplace. But I can’t help feeling that the FMB will gain more from Trustmark — a DTI sponsored initiative — than vice versa. And the poor old consumer won’t be the least bit protected by either body, as far as I can tell.

So is it ever OK to pay upfront?
I reckon there are some circumstances where it’s fine for a builder to request an upfront payment. Notably where the client has specified some fittings which have to be paid for in advance, or at least require a substantial deposit and for which the builder is acting as a middleman. This happens with a lot of imported gear and it also happens with a large number of timber frame companies. There is also a case for demanding a small deposit on small jobs where the client needs to show that they are serious, say on a new kitchen or a bathroom. But for 90% of building jobs, the materials are (or should be) being purchased on credit and the labour is being paid for a week in arrears so there should be no reason for the contractor to demand an upfront payment, except to ease his cashflow. And a builder with a stretched cashflow is, in my book, one to avoid.

On the other hand, there is good reason to pay a builder in stages as the job progresses. It’s best to tie these interim payments in with landmarks so that everybody knows where they stand. A builder with a solid cashflow would be able to work on something like a payment once a month, maybe once a fortnight. Any less than that and the warning bell should be ringing. The very fact that the FMB doesn’t omit “demanding payment upfront” as one of its code of conduct points suggests strongly to me that many FMB members simply haven’t got the wherewithal to float a small building job. That’s not to say they won’t do a good job, but I personally would be far happier to employ a builder who belonged to no trade organisation who didn’t demand cash upfront than one who was a member of the FMB who did.

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6 Comments:

Blogger Neal said...

Dear Friend and Building Colleague
Given that I am 56, a national councillor of the FMB and sometime member (unpaid) of the HSE,CITB SSAT and other trade enhancing committees and bodies I do not feel that I am an urban scallywag builder. Our comments raised at the exhibition were only to redress the balance of the rather terse statements we could not but fail to hear from the sidelines. Given that my own company has invoices outstanding of 150 days from some customers my plea was for some reason. If a customer has a rooted objection to paying an interim amount up front I have no problem. If my customer wants me to pre buy equipment or engage specialist services then I feel that the cost should be paid for in a pre negotiated manner. Once again the buyer has every right to dictate terms but the vendor can have their own terms. Tesco does not allow you to buy groceries on account and I would assume that most clients will understand that interim payments for works or services completed are an entirely fair way to transact business. At no time did we defend unsubstantiated "Up Front" payments.Nor will we in the future, if you wish to talk about this on the radio, ring bbc radio london 7.30am Saturday morning and have a go at me personally.
Neal Etchells

10:00 AM  
Blogger Slapbass said...

I am a member of the FMB. I joined thinking it was a trade organisation that might get me some work and a few discounts on products and services. How wrong I was!

Since joining, we (myself, business partner and all our employees/subcontractors) have been on free training events including: health and safety, use of contracts, correct use of new building products and many other small items of promoting professionalism. As a firm we have grown in all ways as a result of our involvement with the FMB. The FMB is not toothless either. It does throw members out for bad practice under the terms of engagement.

I find that your comments are tabloid and sneering. Spoken as someone with more than a little experience in micro sized business, I think your statement that any decent builder can wait a month for money shows a complete lack of understanding of business at this level.

We have never taken money upfront, but have now started to think that this is a good idea. I will give you one example from four this year alone.

A trusted and regular customer asked me to undertake a refurbishment of a flat. I duly produced an estimate, fully detailed in its breakdown. We negotiated and agreed a start date. The day before the start date I arranged for all materials to be delivered. On start day I arranged for a skip and a team of 5 men to be on site. At 9 am there was still no sign of the client. Despite numerous calls there was no reply. At just before 10 a text message arrived saying she did not wish me to carry out the work. The direct immediate cost to me excluding my estimating time was £920 plus when I returned materials I was hit with 10% restocking charge. My mistake was that as I knew the client I was willing to sign my contract on commencement day, but I trusted the client. A cowboy customer? Or once again are you going to tell me that it is the great consumer that always acts decently? I have started to ask for a booking deposit on larger jobs of £250. I do not want to but as a decent businessman who has chosen to be a builder I do not see any other way. Hotels, holidays, wedding photographers, etc take deposits. Why not building firms?

I genuinely look forward to your comments.

Kevin Nind

10:18 AM  
Blogger Mark Brinkley said...

Kevin,

I note your comments. Exactly the same thing happened to me once back in the 1980s. Shut out of a job on the day it was meant to be starting. Annoying? You bet. Expensive? Yup. But asking for money upfront is not the solution.

Mark

1:48 PM  
Blogger michael said...

I am a member of the FMB and I regularly request around a £1000 upfront for works. with interim payments at 50%, 75% and after completion. I do this because:

1. So I know the customer is not a timewaster.
2. So I can order materials.
3. Gives a time with the customer to discuss about the progression of the job, and any issues that need to be resolved.

I always ask for payments by cheque, and pay it into my business account. This way there is an undisputable record for both parties.

I would never ask for a deposit upfront in cash.

Fortunately I have never once had a problem with payment this way as I always have a detailed CONTRACT OF WORKS this breaks down exactly what the customer is paying for and when.

Contracts of this type are available for free from the FMB website and are an essential tool in resolving any issues at a later date.

Okay admitted if a firm goes bust between signing the contract (usually the week before the work starts) and work commencing in theory the customer could lose their deposit. But the FMB check the companys accounts and their tax status for the last three years at registration so you are surely in a better position paying an FMB member upfront than someone not tied to an organisation?

On the subject of Masterbond, FMB members are not automatically joined, it is a separtate application within the FMB.

A masterbond warranty costs around 0.75% of the total cost of the job I think it offers real reassurance that if the firm ceases trading any defects will be made good independantly.

As obviously any guarantee you get off any builder is only worth the paper its written on if they are still trading.

Vale Building and Roofing Ltd

10:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FMB is a pile of crap!! We had works done by a building company that we chose because they were FMB members. The work failed building inspection for a number of major reasons which will now have to be rectified. The builders "allowed their FMB membership to lapse" so we are now unprotected by the scheme. What is the point of the FMB if this is how it works? I am disgusted that this group of self regulating cowboys has any influence over government. FMB ARE A WASTE OF SPACE!!!

4:30 PM  
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